• If 4500 degree nanothermites were used to pulverize almost every inch of every concrete floor, then how could there have been millions of sheets of paper with an ignition temperature of only 451° raining down on the sidewalks?Unfortunately for the author, this is a common claim in the movement, for this claim we have to go no further than AE911Truth founder Richard Gage himself, here for example in a radio interview from March 2008:
This is a strawman argument. To my knowledge, nobody has suggested that nano-thermite was used “to pulverize almost every inch of every concrete floor.” To bring the building down, the steel load-bearing columns would have to be cut and gravity would do the rest. No nano-thermite or explosives would be used on the floors at all. Any use of nano-thermite would be targeted at the connections or the columns themselves.
Ninety thousand tons of struct... of concrete has been pulverized to a fine talcum powder, though these uhh, intense explosions, including its metal decking and the floor trusses that were supporting, it, uhh completely gone and blown outside the perimeter.
The groundbreaking event, aptly coined “The Science of 9/11”, that was held at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga (UTC) on November 15, 2011, proved to be a resounding success as depicted in the local Times Free Press. The evening began with the landmark DVD from Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth called “9/11: Explosive Evidence -- Experts Speak Out”. The documentary, which assembles the startling evidence from and testimony of over 50 technical and building professionals calling for a real WTC investigation, was shown at the University Center Auditorium. Following the film, an in-depth panelist discussion was held with a lively Q&A segment.One of the professors got rebunked by a Truther:
However, Foster continued by claiming that heat from fires could weaken columns and bar-joists enough at the impact zone to cause a sudden collapse such as a sledgehammer dropped on to a toothpick. This phenomenon, he stated, could cause an exponential chain reaction, reaching free-fall acceleration.An audience member and AE911Truth petition signer refuted Mr. Foster’s claim very eloquently. “There is not enough energy, there is a tremendous energy deficit, there is no jolt, and there is no deceleration,” he said. Another audience member brought up a good point: How did the bottom three-quarters of the building reduce its strength to a “toothpick” causing the entire 110 floors to fall in roughly 10 seconds? “That is ten floors per second!” she pointed out. “I can’t even clap my hands that fast. Can you guys?” Several audience members attempted, but were unable.Heheh, it's clunkety-clunk all over again. So if somebody could clap their hands that fast, it would prove the official story was true?
Another audience member brought up a good point: How did the bottom three-quarters of the building reduce its strength to a “toothpick” causing the entire 110 floors to fall in roughly 10 seconds? “That is ten floors per second!” she pointed out. “I can’t even clap my hands that fast. Can you guys?” Several audience members attempted, but were unable.
Regardless, I tell people, these buildings fell in 10 seconds, they’re 110 stories. Now let’s just use our mouth to demonstrate this. If a pancake collapse can be described as “clunkity clunk” How many times can you say that in 10 seconds? And if one floor is “clunkity clunk clunkity clunk” you cannot say that 110 times in 10 seconds. So let’s even give it the benefit of the doubt, let’s just take off the “clunk”. Let’s just say “clunkity”. You can’t say that in 10 seconds, 110 times.
FAA flight controllers in Boston and elsewhere gave timely notice to military authorities that the four airliners were out of contact and possibly hijacked.According to normal protocol and practice USAF-NORAD jets would have been readily able to intercept all four planes, but launchings were inexplicably delayed and misdirected, and three of the planes got through to their targets.
The evidence of one's own eyes also proves that no airliner crashed into the Pentagon, as claimed by authorities (and conspirators) in the aftermath of the bombing in which the plaintiff and her childwere injured. In view of the plain evidence, photographic and physical, and the telling, wholly implausible lack of such evidence supporting the official version,the withholding of 85 Pentagon surveillance videotapes, and the first-hand testimony of the plaintiff and numerous others, the claim that no airliner hit is certainly far from conclusory. It is entitled to be taken as true.
Down-on-her-luck protester Tracy Postert spent 15 days washing sidewalks and making sandwiches at Zuccotti Park — then landed a dream job at a Financial District investment firm thanks to a high-powered passer-by who offered her work. “I never thought I would be doing this,’’ Postert admitted to The Post. The Upper West Sider, who has a Ph.D. in biomedical science specializing in pharmacology, was unemployed and had all but given up on finding work in her preferred field of academia when she joined the movement in October.Coverage has been split, with some people denouncing her for betraying the cause and going over to the enemy, while others are seeing it as a vindication of capitalism. I also noticed that several have wondered why a person with a doctorate in the biomedical field would have a tough time finding a job. Might it indicate that she has other issues?
To my astonishment, in rereading this latest post from Tracy Postert, who is a teacher in a public school of the New York Department of Education, I discovered a paragraph that I had overlooked in drafting my reply. Here this utterly despicable person reiterates false, baseless, and disgusting allegations that I am an alcoholic and that I have abused my daughter:
Savage? Get real. I haven't savaged anyone. I made fun of you. I danced when I got proved 100%+ correct by your admissions. That doesn't qualify as "savage". Spreading rumors about your alcoholism and past as a child molester were a bit stronger, but AT LEAST I GOT THE RIGHT PERSON! You accused me of faking my identity, etc. Besides, if you abuse alcohol, you should expect to have that follow you around forever, because it does speak to your mentality and self control. Molesting your daughter, if true, was unforgiveable.
I am a former Marine Corps officer who is both a moderate drinker and would never molest anyone. My daughter--who is married and pregnant with her second child--is the joy of my life. Someone who would spread such malicious and unfounded claims is despicable and has no place in the public school systems of this country. I have reported her to the Department of Education of the City of New York--and not for the first time! I hope it will result in action. This grotesque behavior by a close associate of Judy Wood and John Hutchison raises the most serious questions of moral responsibility. Judy Wood has met my daughter. My wife has looked after her cats. I have never made any argument about her that could be compared to the exhibition of moral decadence displayed here by Tracy Postert. If Judy Wood has a fiber of moral decency in her body, then she can demonstrate it by denouncing this extreme and despicable conduct by Tracy Postert. Otherwise, Judy will impugn herself by her silence.
Are there no bounds to the corruption of the members of this cult?We'll see if Postert can keep her job long; the craze is obviously strong with her.
Medical Marijuana Barbie is a character created by Tracy Blevins, comptroller for New York's Medical Marijuana Party, and is the star attraction of Blevins' one-woman "Medical Marijuana Traveling Circus Sideshow," designed to garner support for the legalization of medical pot.Hat Tip: JREF forum member AW Smith.
Director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space defense program in both Republican and Democratic administrations, who was a senior air force colonel who flew 101 combat missions (Col. Robert Bowman) stated that 9/11 was an inside job.But lately, Alex has dropped the 9-11 Troof focus, purchased a website, added a few more posters (including Crackpot Carl Herman) and suddenly his blog has become respectable, at least among the wackadoodle left. For example, Naomi Wolf cites him in an article today:
In New York, a state supreme court justice and a New York City council member were beaten up; in Berkeley, California, one of our greatest national poets, Robert Hass, was beaten with batons. The picture darkened still further when Wonkette and Washingtonsblog.com reported that the Mayor of Oakland acknowledged that the Department of Homeland Security had participated in an 18-city mayor conference call advising mayors on "how to suppress" Occupy protests.(Bolding added for emphasis) I have also seen Washington's Blog cited numerous times at Memeorandum, a major blog aggregator and traffic builder. The only evidence that Washington's Blog is run by a 9-11 crackpot is one of their links in the sidebar:
Truth (or Fiction?) . 911 BloggerOf course, that's not to say they've suddenly become sane; just good enough at feigning sanity to get linked by major sites. If you know what to look for, you can see the crazy. For example, this post:
Bush and Blair Found Guilty of War Crimes George W. Bush and Tony Blair have been found guilty of war crimes for committing crimes against humanity during the Iraq war. Granted, it was not the U.S., or England or any other Western country … but Malaysia.Malaysia, Malaysia, where have we heard of that country around here? Wasn't a former prime minister a 9-11 Truther?
Later, during a question-and-answer session, Dr Mahathir said he had doubts that the collapse of the World Trade Centre in New York was actually caused by terrorists crashing planes into the towers. He said the buildings had collapsed in an orderly manner with such military precision that it all seemed well planned. “I can believe that they (the United States) would kill 3,000 of their own to have an excuse to kill 650,000 Iraqis. These are the kind of people we are dealing with. Please don't think this is fiction.”And yes, Dr Mahathir was part of that Malaysian panel that found Bush and Blair guilty. Glenn Greenwald was suckered into posting about it.
A tribunal in Malaysia, spearheaded by that nation’s former Prime Minister, yesterday found George Bush and Tony Blair guilty of “crimes against peace” and other war crimes for their 2003 aggressive attack on Iraq, as well as fabricating pretexts used to justify the attack.(Bolding added for emphasis) Here's confirmation it was Mahathir:
The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal, part of an initiative by former Malaysian premier Mahathir Mohamad - a fierce critic of the Iraq war - found the former leaders guilty after a four-day hearing.
UK’s Daily Mail newspaper claims weakening of ‘exterior beams’ caused WTC 7 collapse
Editor’s note: In this incisive article, Infowars journalist Paul Joseph Watson refutes the illogical claims of an overambitious reporter from the UK Daily Mail, who asserts that video footage confirms the destruction of WTC Building 7 by office fires. The Daily Mail article comes in stark contrast to the easily accessible and understandable evidence of the controlled demolition of WTC 7 on the afternoon of 9/11.
I tried everything else, so I figured I would write one. It's an autobiography, and tells about my experiences over the last decade. The title is a secret. I haven't decided how I'm going to publish it. I haven't decided if I'm going to charge for it. There are a total of 9 chapters. I'm done the first three, and am almost done Chapter 4. Some of them will contain things already written so it shouldn't take too long once 4, 5, and 9 are written. Here is the dedication:Jon's being a little coy there, not giving away the title. So I thought, why not throw it open to our readers? Come up with a name for Jon's tome. BTW, Jon has managed to dedicate the book to about half the people in the world, and he got Cindy Sheehan to write the "foreward", which made him cry.
Appoint and fund an independent prosecutor and impanel a public grand jury to investigate the crimes of 9/11.
Bring the questions concerning what happened on 9/11 into the judicial process where an independent prosecutor, the power to subpoena, and the risk of prosecution for lies can be used to publicly seek answers to why the first 3 steel superstructure buildings in history fell symmetrically at near free fall speed into their own footprints in New York on 9/11/2001 killing 3,000 people. In addition, notify all current/former federal employees and contractors that failure to respond truthfully and completely to questioning will--in addition to any criminal penalties--result in loss of employment, cancellation of pension benefits, and/or voiding of any employment contract. Further, prosecution for lying or refusing to testify for any reason will not be defended by the government.
We demand a vapid, condescending, meaningless, politically safe response to this petition.
Since these petitions are ignored apart from an occasional patronizing and inane political statement amounting to nothing more than a condescending pat on the head, we the signers would enjoy having the illusion of success. Since no other outcome to this process seems possible, we demand that the White House immediately assign a junior staffer to compose a tame and vapid response to this petition, and never attempt to take any meaningful action on this or any other issue. We would also like a cookie.
Occupy Building 7 November 19 and 20I have to give them a little credit. Usually the Truthers come up with these grandiose plans that have no chance of succeeding, like getting Steve Alten's cruddy book on the bestseller list, or getting 10,000 architects and engineers to sign Box Boy's petition. This time they have actually come up with a plan that could conceivably work:
March from Liberty Plaza to WTC 7 at noon each day. Occupy the park in front of WTC 7 until nightfall.I haven't looked at Google Maps, but I'd guess that the march is maybe a half mile. November 19th and 20th are the Saturday and Sunday after next. Nightfall in New York City can't be much after 5:00 PM this time of year. It certainly seems doable. Could this be the first successful action by the 9-11 Truthers?
| Show of hands results | Before | After |
| Believe fires brought down buildings: | 34 | 2 |
| Unsure: | 55 | 17 |
| Believe in explosive controlled demolition: | 148 | 218 |
| Number of people who attended presentation: 237 | ||
Most people use social media like Facebook and Twitter to share photos of friends and family, chat with friends and strangers about random and amusing diversions, or follow their favorite websites, bands and television shows.
But what does the US military use those same networks for? Well, we can’t tell you: That’s “classified,” a CENTCOM spokesman recently informed Raw Story.
One use that’s confirmed, however, is the manipulation of social media through the use of fake online “personas” managed by the military. Raw Story recently reported that the US Air Force had solicited private sector vendors for something called “persona management software.” Such a technology would allow single individuals to command virtual armies of fake, digital “people” across numerous social media portals.
(1) The motion of Dennis Cunningham, Gallop’s lead counsel of record, for admission to our Court pro hac vice, is hereby GRANTED. (2) Gallop is hereby ADMONISHED that the submission of future frivolous filings may result in sanctions. (3) Dennis Cunningham, Mustapha Ndanusa, and William Veale are hereby ORDERED to pay the government double costs in addition to damages in the amount of $15,000, for which they are jointly and severally liable, within 60 days of the date of entry of this order.I suspect the obvious, which is that the court concluded that April was led astray by her idiot lawyers. Hat tip: The lovely and talented Orphia Nay at JREF.
SABLE: I bought it, and I'm mad at myself for buying it, because I knew it was going to get me mad. I applaud Image for publishing it, because who else has the balls to do that? And they're both creators I admire: Rick Veitch and Gary Erskine. That said, it was just horrifying to me.Following his encounter with the authorities (described in the interview):
I tweeted about it. That got me some press. There was some interest from Truthers in terms of doing this radio interview. That scared me. Right before I went on the air I started to look up the host and there was some really racist stuff there -- Obama with bones through his nose, and Zionist-occupied government stuff. I felt trapped into doing this interview, and it was really nerve-wracking. The point of all this being is that I'm familiar with the arguments the Truthers make, but they don't hold up to even the smallest amount of scrutiny. You can watch five minutes of Loose Change and you have enough to pick apart all their arguments. So it bothered me that this Big Lie book came out and they're propagating this argument that's pretty demonstrably false the same way the birther argument was false. I don't think you have to be liberal to feel that way. I think most thinking people agree about that. Beyond that, if you look in the back of the book it has the wall of 9/11 with all the names on it. There are names of people I know. That felt horribly exploitative. If you actually read the book, they keep hinting that Steven Spielberg is involved. I'm sure it's not what the creators intended, but somehow all these conspiracies come back to the Jews: that the Jews were warned not to be in the World Trade Center that day. I'm sure that's not what they mean, but just talking about a filmmaker named Steven, that's a signal they may not have intended but that's how I'm reading it. It gets me really mad.That's a good point about the Spielberg mentions tying the book into all the Jewish conspiracy theories. Hat Tip: Four Color Media Monitor
Even though UA 93 was reported down with an impact time of 1003 EDT the flight plan was displayed and updated in the Traffic Situation Display (TSD) system until the flight “landed” at 1028 EDT at Reagan National. It was that “landing” that was concurrently reported to National TRACON by an FAA caller who was watching a TSD display. (In context, the FAA caller was likely either Baltimore or Dulles TRACON) It was the “approach” to that landing that became the threat to the National Capital Region, as updated to Secretary Mineta by Monte Belger, according to Mineta’s interview the next year with MSNBC.
The DOD has already promised to clean up its accounting practices for public scrutiny by 2017, and has pledged an estimated $300 million annually to do just that. They will likely need an additional $1 billion to meet that goal, CPI reports, and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta is allegedly poised to announce a speeding-up of the auditing process, which might raise the cost of reigning in spending even more.
The CPI report states: "Experts say the Pentagon's accounting has never been reliable. A lengthy effort by the military services to implement new financial systems at a cost so far of more than $6 billion has itself been plagued by overruns and delays, senior defense officials say."
Just last month, the Government Accountability Office said in a report that although the services can now fully track incoming appropriations, they still cannot demonstrate their funds are being spent as they should.
A Nigerian man pleaded guilty Wednesday to trying to bring down a jetliner with a bomb in his underwear, defiantly telling a federal judge that he acted in retaliation for the killing of Muslims worldwide and referring to the failed explosive as a "blessed weapon."
Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who acknowledged working for al-Qaida and never denied the allegations, entered the plea against his attorney's advice on the second day of his trial. He stands to get a mandatory life sentence for the 2009 attack that aimed to kill nearly 300 people on Christmas Day in the skies above Detroit.
Abdulmutallab calmly answered the judge's questions and read a political statement warning that if the United States continues "to persist and promote the blasphemy of Muhammad and the prophets," it risks "a great calamity ... through the hands of the mujahedeen soon."
Veteran comic and activist Dick Gregory said the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations were reminiscent of the 1960s civil rights movement and police violence could catapult it into a mass protest.Those of you who have long memories will probably recall that Gregory is a little over halfway through his 9-11 Truth hunger strike:
I was born on October 12, 1932. I am announcing today that I will be consuming only liquids beginning Sunday until my eightieth birthday in 2012 and until the real truth of what truly happened on that day emerges and is publicly known.Only a year to go, Dick!
In an article in the National Post last Friday, I wrote about the University of Lethbridge’s School of Graduate Studies’ imprudent congratulations extended to dedicated 9/11 “skeptic” , Joshua Blakeney, for taking up a position as writer with the misleadingly titled , Veterans Today. Blakeney, it will be recalled, is a protégé of Anthony Hall, professor of the U of L’s “Globalization Studies” program. Judging from the program’s website, the curriculum spends a great deal of time and effort ensuring young minds realize that all the evil in the world stems from western imperialism.
In stark contrast to many of our institutions of higher learning (the mealy-mouthed York University and the University of Toronto immediately spring to mind), the University of Lethbridge didn’t mince any words in its response to Blakeney’s new gig at Veterans Today. The U of L’s Dean of Graduate Studies, Dr. Robert Wood, in response to my article, stated, “The anti-Semitic content that is periodically published inVeterans Today is morally repugnant, and it deeply offends the core principles of tolerance, respect, and citizenship upon which the University of Lethbridge is founded.”
Gordon Duff - Chairman of the Board, U.S. Marines, Vietnam Lt. General Hamid Gul – Director General ISI (Former Chief of Intelligence Services, Pakistan) Col. Eugene Khrushchev - Former Russian Army Officer and First Secretary, Soviet and Russian Embassies, Kabul, Afghanistan Major Bobby Hanifin - US Air Force Khalil Nouri - Afghanistan Political Expert and Military Specialist Carol Duff - RN, BA, MSN, Veteran’s Health Issues Editor Jim W. Dean – Military Order of World Wars, Association of Former Intelligence Officers Debbie Menon - Middle East Issues EditorEven more impressive is the fact that the editorial board has compiled that impressive resume while maintaining the physical appearances of college students:
Darren Pearson says he had a swell time Monday night, pushing around police officers and intimidating patrons of the Vancouver Club, each of whom had paid $500 to hear former U.S. vice president Dick Cheney speak. “It was so much fun,” Mr. Pearson said from his home Wednesday. “I can’t tell you how much fun I had. I was laughing my ass off, jumping into that mosh pit.”
And the hapless Vancouver Club employee, whom Mr. Pearson is accused of assaulting with a chokehold? Well, whatever. Mr. Pearson isn’t about to make amends, much less apologize to the man who received minor injuries. Mr. Pearson admits he is the 51-year-old male whom Vancouver police arrested and charged after his alleged attack on the employee Monday night. But he isn’t prepared to discuss that in detail; he’s waiting to speak to a lawyer before his initial court appearance, still to be scheduled.
Monday’s arrest was not the first for Mr. Pearson, a conspiracy nut and founder of the Vancouver 9/11 Truth Society.
Subsequent testing of WTC dust samples established the presence of thermite, a high-powered incendiary that cuts through a steel beam like a lightning bolt through a stick of butter.
Cleanup workers themselves were rebellious. Almost no one wore respirators, Langewiesche says, except in the most extreme conditions.If anybody can be criticized about the workers not wearing respirators, it's OSHA.
"They didn't put them on, and I didn't either," he says. "And the reason was — it was sort of necessary in a weird way. It wasn't self-sacrificial. But there had to be this kind of reckless courage, even if it was nonsensical, that was part of the beauty."
According to an e-mail message to the regional director of the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, Mr. McKinney said at an Oct. 7, 2001, meeting that the city wanted the respirator rules enforced because “contractors ‘fear’ OSHA’s ability to issue penalties and that would cause compliance.”I am also concerned that the Able Danger claims and Richard Clarke's account are presented without any recognition of the problems associated with them. Able Danger was investigated by the Senate Intelligence Committee, which found that the most sensational claim, that Mohamed Atta was identified as a terrorist by the system well before 9-11 and appeared on a chart as part of the "Brooklyn Cell" was unfounded.
"Last time I had to declare my party loyalty, it was to vote in the Virginia primary for president of the United States in the year 2000. And I asked for a Republican ballot."I thought at the time that it was an odd circumlocution, so I did a little digging and discovered that Clarke could not have asked for a Democratic ballot in 2000, because the Democrats did not have a primary in Virginia in 2000:
In the latest issue of the al Qaeda English-language magazine "Inspire", an author appears to take offense to the "ridiculous" theory repeatedly spread by Ahmadinejad that the 9/11 terror attacks were actually carried out by the U.S. government in order to provide a pretext to invade the Middle East.
"The Iranian government has professed on the tongue of its president Ahmadinejad that it does not believe that al Qaeda was behind 9/11 but rather, the U.S. government," an article reads. "So we may ask the question: why would Iran ascribe to such a ridiculous belief that stands in the face of all logic and evidence?"Of course, this is just an example of life imitating art. Remember this hysterical bit by the Onion?
The object (apparently a perimeter wall unit) raced ahead of its neighboring debris, but its acceleration was about 1/3 of gravity. This is an indication that it was kicked downward initially by an explosion, after which the air resistance partially canceled the effect of gravity as it approached terminal velocity. As it fell, however, there was an outburst of white smoke, at which point the projectile changed directions, slightly, and accelerated downward for about a half second at 1.5 times gravity. It then fell back to continued acceleration a little under 1 g.Video:
"Since the 9/11 attacks, we have seen exceptional models of resilience all around us," said Secretary Napolitano. "By honoring Richard Rescorla with the Distinguished Public Service medal, we remember his heroism and commitment to the preparedness of the thousands of employees under his watch."Rescorla reportedly sang this song over the bullhorn to exhort his colleagues out of the building:
On September 11, 2011, Richard Rescorla was Second Vice President for Security at Morgan Stanley headquarters located in World Trade Center Tower 2. Richard led a massive evacuation of Morgan Stanley's 2,700-person workforce located in the South Tower, contributing to the survival of many of his coworkers.
"Truthers like to pretend there is no evidence for the 9/11 hijackers" - Pat CurleyJon follows it up with a quote from himself which certainly indicates strongly that he himself believes in the hijackers, which is certainly to his credit. But you don't have to look far to find that a large segment of the 9-11 Troof community denies the existence of the hijackers. Just do a Google search for "alleged hijackers". On the first page alone, you'll get a collection of Truther sites like Prison Planet, 9-11 Review, 9-11 Blogger, and even Gold's much-beloved 9-11 Timeline.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says that as an engineer he's sure the twin towers were not brought down by jetliners.
Ahmadinejad, in an interview with The Associated Press, says it would have been impossible for two jetliners to bring down the towers simply by hitting them. he says some kind of planned explosion must have taken place.
I remember paging through photocopies of the boarding passes from Flight 93. I turned a page and saw hijacker Ziad Jarrah’s name. It felt like getting punched in the stomach. I imagined the line of travelers waiting to walk down the jetway, having no idea that four of their fellow passengers were going to kill them in a few minutes. We all know that annoying guy in the line talking too loudly or grumbling about the score of last night’s game as it flashes on the terminal television. It was probably just as mundane that morning for the travelers in that waiting area. As I sat in my work space, everything in me wanted to shout to those people to walk away and not board the plane. “Go home to your loved ones and hug them or you’ll never be able to ever again,” my mind screamed.
- No updates on this on the main rememberbuilding7 campaign website, just the old "donate now" buttonsHow much money did Richard Gage bank in 2010? Guidestar still doesn't have the 990 form for last year, even though the 2009 form was filed by June of 2010.
- No updates on Facebook, they have moved on to other topics
- No updates on their twitter
- No updates on ae911truth.org
I am facing 3 baseless charges. 2x Felony Resisting Arrest, and 1x Felony Terrorist Threat. The prosecution only has perjured statements by an officer who is always under oath. The badge they wear means they are under oath. The judges have violated my due process rights at just about every hearing.Hey, I'm just asking questions.
Pat Curley is a lying, deceptive piece of sh*t that spends all of his time concerned about something he has repeatedly said there is nothing to.
How many years has he been doing this?Gold:
I guess for 5 years or so. Day in, and day out. About something he and his kind repeatedly say there is "nothing" to. No cover-up of any kind, etc... and so on.Five years or so is right, give or take four months. As for all of my time, day in and day out, that's a ridiculous exaggeration. In fact, I've put very little time into SLC this year. The last couple weeks, sure, but the tenth anniversary has meant an explosion in coverage. In fact, over all, I've felt a little guilty for the infrequent updates this year, because there's so little new under the sun.
I have [thought about it], and I wish I knew how to find out where a person gets their money, what business affiliations they have, etc... and so on. But... I don't. Nor, is he worth the time as a worthless human being.
WHAT ABOUT THE SULFIDIZED STEEL THAT MELTED AND THAT FEMA FOUND BUT WHICH NIST IGNORED IN THEIR REPORT? NIST didn’t ignore it. Jonathan Barnett at FEMA studied two pieces of sulfidized steel, which is not enough to explain the collapse. NIST determined that neither piece came from a supporting column in the collapse zone so it couldn’t have contributed to the collapse.7 Sulfidized steel melts at temperatures 1000° lower than regular steel so it could have “melted” in a regular office fire. And the “intergranular melting” FEMA discovered is not like melting as we know it anyway; it’s more like corrosion on an almost microscopic scale occurring along the boundaries between the crystals or grains of a metal. The technical description for what happened is “intergranular melting, high temperature corrosion via sulphidation, oxidation, and decarburisation leading to a liquid Iron Oxide Suflur mix from grain boundary melting.” And while Jonathan Barnett would like to see more research on this, he does not support the controlled demolition theory.
Whether or not he's an "infiltrator" or not, he denounced this cause using the officially designated issue that has been made synonymous with this cause through other infiltration.I'm not even sure what the heck that means. Is Richard Gage an infiltrator? Is Steven Jones?
You are proving that you care more about your church than the salvation of it's members. In short you truthers are promoting the cult like fringe aspects that are such a turn off to people myself included. I have seen lie after lie put out immediately by members of the 9-11 truth church in regards to this book because the authors do not worship at your 9-11 truth church. I don't either and this is why. After 10 years one might think you would have gained a little insight in what makes a movement successful. Your movement is extremely unsuccessful and you yourselves are exposing why.Gold responds:
By the way... I love Jim's dishonest portrayal of us being apart of the "cult." Douchebag. Nah... the people here haven't spoken out against the stupidity more than anyone else... constantly writing pointers on how to approach people... constantly trying to promote the most credible information... calling out lunacy where its found... yea... we are so apart of the cult. Douchebag.Yes, they occasionally point out the lunacy; after we rub their faces in it enough times. But where was this sensible Gold five years ago, when he wrote that review on Amazon about how one day people would be comparing David Ray Griffin to Martin Luther King and Gandhi? Answer: He's been beaten back from that crap, but not so far that he's changed any conclusions; he's just changed the evidence he cites.
